Friday 5 September 2014

For this, Joan Rivers, we thank you






To be a pioneer, you have to be willing to go where others haven't, or simply won't. In the case of Joan Rivers, she was willing to say what nobody else would. Her stand-up was uninhibited from the start, and her wisecracks soon led her to late night in 1965. By 1986, Rivers became the first woman to host her own late-night talk show, helping to pave the way for a new generation of funny women that includes talents like Tig Notaro, Amy Schumer, Chelsea Peretti and Jessica Williams. When you listen to those ladies and others like them perform, think about these groundbreaking comedians who came before them: To be a pioneer, you have to be willing to go where others haven't, or simply won't. In the case of Joan Rivers, she was willing to say what nobody else would. Her stand-up was uninhibited from the start, and her wisecracks soon led her to late night in 1965. By 1986, Rivers became the first woman to host her own late-night talk show, helping to pave the way for a new generation of funny women that includes talents like Tig Notaro, Amy Schumer, Chelsea Peretti and Jessica Williams. When you listen to those ladies and others like them perform, think about these groundbreaking comedians who came before them:

Lucille Ball had already found success as a model and actress by the time "I Love Lucy" arrived in 1951, but the show's creation left a lasting mark on pop culture. Ball and husband Desi Arnaz founded their own production company, and then created a sitcom that brought in history-making profits. It would be too easy to dismiss Ball's creation as a product that reinforced the mores of its time; on the contrary, what she produced set the scene for comedies like it to come, and served as inspiration for other actresses to reap the benefits of their work. Lucille Ball had already found success as a model and actress by the time "I Love Lucy" arrived in 1951, but the show's creation left a lasting mark on pop culture. Ball and husband Desi Arnaz founded their own production company, and then created a sitcom that brought in history-making profits. It would be too easy to dismiss Ball's creation as a product that reinforced the mores of its time; on the contrary, what she produced set the scene for comedies like it to come, and served as inspiration for other actresses to reap the benefits of their work.

Comedic actresses like Zooey Deschanel aren't exaggerating when they say they owe their careers to the great Phyllis Diller. She got her start in stand-up in the mid-'50s and could be considered one of the funniest members of the women's lib movement, breaking the housewife free from the home and giving her a full voice on stage. "She paved the way for everybody," said talent agent Fred Wostbrock upon Diller's death in 2012. "She was the first and the best."Comedic actresses like Zooey Deschanel aren't exaggerating when they say they owe their careers to the great Phyllis Diller. She got her start in stand-up in the mid-'50s and could be considered one of the funniest members of the women's lib movement, breaking the housewife free from the home and giving her a full voice on stage. "She paved the way for everybody," said talent agent Fred Wostbrock upon Diller's death in 2012. "She was the first and the best."

Considering the early trials Jackie "Moms" Mabley had to overcome, her enduring and groundbreaking career in comedy is all the more impressive. After starting off in vaudeville in 1920s New York, she expanded to the silver screen and became the first female comedian to perform at the Apollo Theater. Before Phyllis Diller put on her fright wig and sack dress, Mabley was making audiences double over with her bawdy sense of humor that included frank talk about race. Mabley's talent wasn't widely recognized until the '60s; she passed away in 1975. Considering the early trials Jackie "Moms" Mabley had to overcome, her enduring and groundbreaking career in comedy is all the more impressive. After starting off in vaudeville in 1920s New York, she expanded to the silver screen and became the first female comedian to perform at the Apollo Theater. Before Phyllis Diller put on her fright wig and sack dress, Mabley was making audiences double over with her bawdy sense of humor that included frank talk about race. Mabley's talent wasn't widely recognized until the '60s; she passed away in 1975.

Before "Saturday Night Live," there was the comedic duo Nichols & May. Elaine May and Mike Nichols were renowned for both their social satire and their incredible improv ability, which they often brought right into American homes via programs like "The Jack Paar Show." Along with Nichols, May honed her talent at Chicago's Compass Players, the troupe that would later evolve into Second City. Before "Saturday Night Live," there was the comedic duo Nichols & May. Elaine May and Mike Nichols were renowned for both their social satire and their incredible improv ability, which they often brought right into American homes via programs like "The Jack Paar Show." Along with Nichols, May honed her talent at Chicago's Compass Players, the troupe that would later evolve into Second City.

In 1975, "Saturday Night Live" debuted and introduced viewers to history-making comedians like Gilda Radner, left, and Jane Curtin, who were part of the original "SNL" cast. The duo put in place some of the most iconic sketches to date, from the coneheads to Baba Wawa. Post-"SNL," both were poised for screen success, but Radner's career was cut short by her death in 1986. Curtin, meanwhile, went on to star in sitcoms like "Kate & Allie" and "3rd Rock From The Sun." In 1975, "Saturday Night Live" debuted and introduced viewers to history-making comedians like Gilda Radner, left, and Jane Curtin, who were part of the original "SNL" cast. The duo put in place some of the most iconic sketches to date, from the coneheads to Baba Wawa. Post-"SNL," both were poised for screen success, but Radner's career was cut short by her death in 1986. Curtin, meanwhile, went on to star in sitcoms like "Kate & Allie" and "3rd Rock From The Sun."

When Elayne Boosler arrived on the stage in the '80s, it seemed she'd been sworn in to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth. With a crystal-clear voice and a rapid-fire delivery, Boosler was an eviscerating cultural and political commentator who knew how to land a joke. Condoms, crime, Republicans -- you could get all of that and more in one sitting. In 1985, she pulled her own funds together to craft "Party of One," making her the first woman to get her own hour-long TV comedy special.When Elayne Boosler arrived on the stage in the '80s, it seemed she'd been sworn in to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth. With a crystal-clear voice and a rapid-fire delivery, Boosler was an eviscerating cultural and political commentator who knew how to land a joke. Condoms, crime, Republicans -- you could get all of that and more in one sitting. In 1985, she pulled her own funds together to craft "Party of One," making her the first woman to get her own hour-long TV comedy special.

Some comics make the mistake of equating vulgarity with humor, but Rita Rudner is one of the prime examples proving that clean can also be funny. Born in Miami, Rudner moved to New York as a teen initially to work as a dancer, but then moved over to comedy in her mid 20s. By 1990, when she produced her second TV comedy special, "Born to Be Mild," there was no denying Rudner had earned her place in comedy's canon -- and she didn't have to curse anyone out to do it.Some comics make the mistake of equating vulgarity with humor, but Rita Rudner is one of the prime examples proving that clean can also be funny. Born in Miami, Rudner moved to New York as a teen initially to work as a dancer, but then moved over to comedy in her mid 20s. By 1990, when she produced her second TV comedy special, "Born to Be Mild," there was no denying Rudner had earned her place in comedy's canon -- and she didn't have to curse anyone out to do it.

Mary Tyler Moore did more than make us laugh throughout her career; she broke new ground in the 1970s by portraying a single, 30-something working woman. That's all TV comedies were about in the '90s and 2000s, but at the dawn of the '70s, "The Mary Tyler Moore Show" was an entirely new breed. If the "Girls" of today are going to raise their drinks to anyone, it should be in celebration of Moore.Mary Tyler Moore did more than make us laugh throughout her career; she broke new ground in the 1970s by portraying a single, 30-something working woman. That's all TV comedies were about in the '90s and 2000s, but at the dawn of the '70s, "The Mary Tyler Moore Show" was an entirely new breed. If the "Girls" of today are going to raise their drinks to anyone, it should be in celebration of Moore.

Can your favorite TV series claim a run of 11 years, with an average of 30 million people tuning in every week? Because "The Carol Burnett Show" can. The variety show is considered by Time magazine to be one of the 100 best TV shows ever, although when it aired in 1967, Burnett was just trying to bring together all her gifts -- for comedy, acting and song -- into one entertaining dish. The result was a TV classic.Can your favorite TV series claim a run of 11 years, with an average of 30 million people tuning in every week? Because "The Carol Burnett Show" can. The variety show is considered by Time magazine to be one of the 100 best TV shows ever, although when it aired in 1967, Burnett was just trying to bring together all her gifts -- for comedy, acting and song -- into one entertaining dish. The result was a TV classic.

Bea Arthur, right, was in her 50s when she starred in the '70s sitcom "Maude." The groundbreaking show eagerly charged into new territory, including a pivotal episode in which Maude decides to have an abortion. Between that comedy, and what followed with Arthur's Dorothy Zbornak on "The Golden Girls," Arthur's death in 2009 was deeply felt. In Arthur's absence, her "Golden Girls" co-star, Betty White, has pushed forward, becoming the rare woman in entertainment who's successfully working well into her 90s. Bea Arthur, right, was in her 50s when she starred in the '70s sitcom "Maude." The groundbreaking show eagerly charged into new territory, including a pivotal episode in which Maude decides to have an abortion. Between that comedy, and what followed with Arthur's Dorothy Zbornak on "The Golden Girls," Arthur's death in 2009 was deeply felt. In Arthur's absence, her "Golden Girls" co-star, Betty White, has pushed forward, becoming the rare woman in entertainment who's successfully working well into her 90s.

In 1988, Roseanne Barr thought it was high time the TV mom got a makeover. Doing away with the ludicrously pristine versions networks had handed out for years, Barr brought us Roseanne Conner, a sarcastic but loving mother whose blue-collar family was exactly what viewers wanted. With her stand-up background, Barr wasn't going to be anything other than honest -- both in the fictional sitcom, and behind the scenes -- and American viewers loved her for it. The show became No. 1 in the Nielsen ratings in its second season and stayed in the top slots for most of its nine-season run. In 1988, Roseanne Barr thought it was high time the TV mom got a makeover. Doing away with the ludicrously pristine versions networks had handed out for years, Barr brought us Roseanne Conner, a sarcastic but loving mother whose blue-collar family was exactly what viewers wanted. With her stand-up background, Barr wasn't going to be anything other than honest -- both in the fictional sitcom, and behind the scenes -- and American viewers loved her for it. The show became No. 1 in the Nielsen ratings in its second season and stayed in the top slots for most of its nine-season run.

Lily Tomlin's status as a comedic legend hasn't budged a bit. It all started with 1969's "Laugh-In," in which Tomlin gave us characters like the semi-creepy 6-year-old Edith Ann and the snippy phone operator Ernestine. Tomlin has done tons -- and won plenty of accolades for it, from the Emmys to the Tonys -- but we'll always have a special place in our heart for her 1980 workplace comedy, "Nine to Five."Lily Tomlin's status as a comedic legend hasn't budged a bit. It all started with 1969's "Laugh-In," in which Tomlin gave us characters like the semi-creepy 6-year-old Edith Ann and the snippy phone operator Ernestine. Tomlin has done tons -- and won plenty of accolades for it, from the Emmys to the Tonys -- but we'll always have a special place in our heart for her 1980 workplace comedy, "Nine to Five."

Julia Louis-Dreyfus got her start on "Saturday Night Live," but it's her role as the sole lead female character on the iconic '90s comedy "Seinfeld" that stands out the most. Initially, Louis-Dreyfus' Elaine didn't exist, but it was decided that the show needed a woman's voice. "We had a very vague idea of Elaine," "Seinfeld" co-creator Jerry Seinfeld told The New York Times in 1993. "But once Julia walked in, we knew who Elaine was. We created her together." And with that, they created one of the most memorable female comedic roles in TV history. Julia Louis-Dreyfus got her start on "Saturday Night Live," but it's her role as the sole lead female character on the iconic '90s comedy "Seinfeld" that stands out the most. Initially, Louis-Dreyfus' Elaine didn't exist, but it was decided that the show needed a woman's voice. "We had a very vague idea of Elaine," "Seinfeld" co-creator Jerry Seinfeld told The New York Times in 1993. "But once Julia walked in, we knew who Elaine was. We created her together." And with that, they created one of the most memorable female comedic roles in TV history.

One of the biggest concerns for comedy fans is the lack of women in the writers' rooms. It's important, because just as Jerry Seinfeld recognized the necessity of having a woman represented in his sitcom, someone needs to ensure that there's authenticity and parity happening behind the scenes, too. Enter Carol Leifer. One of the best who's ever done it, she's written for "Seinfeld," "Saturday Night Live" and "The Ellen Show." If you want to learn from her, it wouldn't be hard to do; she's written a bunch of books as well.One of the biggest concerns for comedy fans is the lack of women in the writers' rooms. It's important, because just as Jerry Seinfeld recognized the necessity of having a woman represented in his sitcom, someone needs to ensure that there's authenticity and parity happening behind the scenes, too. Enter Carol Leifer. One of the best who's ever done it, she's written for "Seinfeld," "Saturday Night Live" and "The Ellen Show." If you want to learn from her, it wouldn't be hard to do; she's written a bunch of books as well.

Native New Yorker Whoopi Goldberg got her start on the opposite coast. With her young daughter in tow, Goldberg headed for San Francisco in the '70s, where she joined an improv group and conducted an award-winning one-woman show. In the mid-'80s, Goldberg returned to New York, where she created the incisive Broadway production "The Spook Show." The beauty of Goldberg's humor about American life is in its insight, a quality she also brought to the screen in a number of acting roles. Not limited to comedy, Goldberg is a member of the prestigious <a href='http://ift.tt/1dj5zRQ'>EGOT club</a> -- meaning she's won an Emmy, a Grammy, an Oscar and a Tony.Native New Yorker Whoopi Goldberg got her start on the opposite coast. With her young daughter in tow, Goldberg headed for San Francisco in the '70s, where she joined an improv group and conducted an award-winning one-woman show. In the mid-'80s, Goldberg returned to New York, where she created the incisive Broadway production "The Spook Show." The beauty of Goldberg's humor about American life is in its insight, a quality she also brought to the screen in a number of acting roles. Not limited to comedy, Goldberg is a member of the prestigious EGOT club -- meaning she's won an Emmy, a Grammy, an Oscar and a Tony.

Right from the beginning, Ellen DeGeneres had a way of taking the realities of life and filtering them through a snappy sense of humor. DeGeneres was bubbly and warm, and her brand of accessible comedy was a perfect fit for network television. It was there, while starring on her '90s sitcom "Ellen," that DeGeneres made a pioneering move: She became the first lead on a sitcom to come out as gay. Right from the beginning, Ellen DeGeneres had a way of taking the realities of life and filtering them through a snappy sense of humor. DeGeneres was bubbly and warm, and her brand of accessible comedy was a perfect fit for network television. It was there, while starring on her '90s sitcom "Ellen," that DeGeneres made a pioneering move: She became the first lead on a sitcom to come out as gay.

Despite starting off with two incredibly funny women, "Saturday Night Live" has had its problems with cast diversity. But starting in the mid-'90s and leading right on up through the aughts, "SNL" was on fire. Thanks to creative minds like Tina Fey, left, and Amy Poehler, as well as Molly Shannon, Ana Gasteyer, Rachel Dratch, Maya Rudolph, and Kristen Wiig, this was an era when "SNL" was not to be missed. You want to talk about groundbreaking? See the work that Fey and Poehler pulled off during the 2008 presidential campaign; those clips are going in the vault for future generations. Despite starting off with two incredibly funny women, "Saturday Night Live" has had its problems with cast diversity. But starting in the mid-'90s and leading right on up through the aughts, "SNL" was on fire. Thanks to creative minds like Tina Fey, left, and Amy Poehler, as well as Molly Shannon, Ana Gasteyer, Rachel Dratch, Maya Rudolph, and Kristen Wiig, this was an era when "SNL" was not to be missed. You want to talk about groundbreaking? See the work that Fey and Poehler pulled off during the 2008 presidential campaign; those clips are going in the vault for future generations.

Wanda Sykes initially took a detour into government work before she found her voice in comedy. Sticking to her ethos of authenticity, Sykes has earned respect and admiration from fellow comedians and the public alike for comedy that always features her distinctive point of view. While Sykes is a natural at stand-up, she's also an accomplished writer, working on quips for her own sitcoms and series like "The Chris Rock Show," and has done her fair share of acting work as well, including "Curb Your Enthusiasm" and her own short-lived sitcom "Wanda at Large." Wanda Sykes initially took a detour into government work before she found her voice in comedy. Sticking to her ethos of authenticity, Sykes has earned respect and admiration from fellow comedians and the public alike for comedy that always features her distinctive point of view. While Sykes is a natural at stand-up, she's also an accomplished writer, working on quips for her own sitcoms and series like "The Chris Rock Show," and has done her fair share of acting work as well, including "Curb Your Enthusiasm" and her own short-lived sitcom "Wanda at Large."

The only thing guaranteed when Sarah Silverman does stand-up is that something outlandish, and probably offensive, will come flying out of her mouth. Silverman honed her talent in the writers' room of "Saturday Night Live" in the early '90s before landing some on-camera work of her own. Roles in movies like "Bulworth" and "There's Something About Mary" helped increase her visibility, but it was her 2005 one-woman show, "Jesus Is Magic," that cemented her place as a force to be reckoned with. The only thing guaranteed when Sarah Silverman does stand-up is that something outlandish, and probably offensive, will come flying out of her mouth. Silverman honed her talent in the writers' room of "Saturday Night Live" in the early '90s before landing some on-camera work of her own. Roles in movies like "Bulworth" and "There's Something About Mary" helped increase her visibility, but it was her 2005 one-woman show, "Jesus Is Magic," that cemented her place as a force to be reckoned with.

Comedy has always been a tool for the politically frustrated and socially conscious, but few have wielded their humor like Margaret Cho. After a difficult childhood, Cho began performing as a stand-up comedian when she was just 16. By her 20s, her work had led to appearances on Arsenio Hall's late-night show and a sitcom of her own: ABC's short-lived "All-American Girl." That series didn't pan out, but the rough patch that followed only made Cho sharper and more insistent on keeping her perspective as a woman, and a Korean-American, intact. When she returned with the powerful one-woman show "I'm the One That I Want" in 1999, she'd established her voice as one of the most vital in the business, and she did it on her own terms. Comedy has always been a tool for the politically frustrated and socially conscious, but few have wielded their humor like Margaret Cho. After a difficult childhood, Cho began performing as a stand-up comedian when she was just 16. By her 20s, her work had led to appearances on Arsenio Hall's late-night show and a sitcom of her own: ABC's short-lived "All-American Girl." That series didn't pan out, but the rough patch that followed only made Cho sharper and more insistent on keeping her perspective as a woman, and a Korean-American, intact. When she returned with the powerful one-woman show "I'm the One That I Want" in 1999, she'd established her voice as one of the most vital in the business, and she did it on her own terms.

For some of you, the '90s is nothing without the image of a brunette Janeane Garofalo in specs and Doc Martens, sardonically commenting on the culture of the day. Although Garofalo began her stand-up career in the late '80s, it felt like she was born to wryly carry us through the decade that followed. With credits that include "The Ben Stiller Show," "Reality Bites," "The Larry Sanders Show" and "Saturday Night Live," Garofalo's comedy helped define a generation. For some of you, the '90s is nothing without the image of a brunette Janeane Garofalo in specs and Doc Martens, sardonically commenting on the culture of the day. Although Garofalo began her stand-up career in the late '80s, it felt like she was born to wryly carry us through the decade that followed. With credits that include "The Ben Stiller Show," "Reality Bites," "The Larry Sanders Show" and "Saturday Night Live," Garofalo's comedy helped define a generation.

There are only three women who have ever won Grammy awards for comedy albums, and Kathy Griffin is one of them. (She's in a great company; the other two are Whoopi Goldberg and Lily Tomlin.) From the stage to the screen, Kathy Griffin's voice has become one of the most recognizable of the past two decades. She has been adaptable in a changing industry, shifting from sitcom to reality TV with her award-winning "My Life on the D-List," and enduringly unapologetic about her sense of humor and her activism. There are only three women who have ever won Grammy awards for comedy albums, and Kathy Griffin is one of them. (She's in a great company; the other two are Whoopi Goldberg and Lily Tomlin.) From the stage to the screen, Kathy Griffin's voice has become one of the most recognizable of the past two decades. She has been adaptable in a changing industry, shifting from sitcom to reality TV with her award-winning "My Life on the D-List," and enduringly unapologetic about her sense of humor and her activism.

Chelsea Handler may have wanted to be an actress when she was younger, but we can't imagine this outsized personality pretending to be anyone else. Raunchy, self-deprecating, and completely uninterested in others' opinions, Handler started out in stand-up but soon became the queen of late night TV over on E! with "Chelsea Lately." From her perch on the entertainment network, she happily skewered the very celebrities she was supposed to be interviewing and consistently provided some of the most scandalous interviews you'll see in the 11 p.m. hour. Chelsea Handler may have wanted to be an actress when she was younger, but we can't imagine this outsized personality pretending to be anyone else. Raunchy, self-deprecating, and completely uninterested in others' opinions, Handler started out in stand-up but soon became the queen of late night TV over on E! with "Chelsea Lately." From her perch on the entertainment network, she happily skewered the very celebrities she was supposed to be interviewing and consistently provided some of the most scandalous interviews you'll see in the 11 p.m. hour.








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  • Joan Rivers helped break the mold for women in comedy

  • She got her start speaking "to women who weren't able to talk about things"

  • During her stand-up, she spoke frankly about being a woman

  • The following generations of women comedians have thanked her for opening doors




(CNN) -- Joan Rivers didn't consider herself to be one of the boys. And for that, we can be grateful.


Over the course of her nearly 50-year career, Rivers rummaged through, flipped over and laughed at all the facets of being a woman -- from the '60s-era pressure to marry to the reality of aging in a youth-obsessed business -- without ever succumbing to the expectations of what a woman stand-up comedian was "supposed" to sound like.


"Every woman in comedy is indebted to her," Amy Poehler, "Saturday Night Live" veteran, said upon Rivers' death Thursday at the age of 81. "She was there at the beginning and funny to the end."


Joan Rivers dies at 81


The path Rivers helped carve leads us straight to female stand-up powerhouses such as Kathy Griffin, Sarah Silverman and Amy Schumer, all of whom are as fearless in their humor, and whom they direct it toward, as Rivers was.


But when Rivers began her stand-up career in the late '50s, that brazenness was unheard of -- for women, at least.


"I was talking about having an affair with a married professor and that wasn't a thing a nice Jewish girl talked about," Rivers told author Yael Kohen in Kohen's book, "We Killed: The Rise of Women in American Comedy."


"I was talking about my mother, desperate to get my sister and me married. I was talking about my gay friend Mr. Phyllis, and you just didn't talk about that. It sounds so tame and silly now, but my act spoke to women who weren't able to talk about things."


Initially, Rivers wanted to be an actress, and took up temp work while she pursued her goal. But when a fellow secretary pointed out that she could get paid for all the jokes she was landing around the office, Rivers tried her hand at comedy.


"I had no idea what I was doing. The white men were doing 'mother-in-law' and 'my wife's so fat ...' jokes," Rivers recalled in a 2012 Hollywood Reporter essay. "When I went onstage, that just didn't feel right. So I just said, 'Let me talk about my life.'"


Rivers: A pointed, pioneering comedian


She wasn't alone: George Carlin, Woody Allen and Bill Cosby -- classic comedians who were then on the rise -- all mined their personal lives for laughs. But although they were "coming up at the same time" as she was, and had similar instincts about humor, Rivers still didn't quite fit in.


"I never was one of the guys," Rivers wrote in THR. "I was never asked to go hang out; I never thought about it until later. They would all go to the Stage Delicatessen afterward and talk. I never got to go uptown and have a sandwich with them. So, even though I was with them, I wasn't with them."


And maybe all the better for it. Once she got her big break in 1965 on Johnny Carson's "The Tonight Show," Rivers made a name for herself as a woman who would talk frankly and freely about what that meant. The female body, her sex life, the politics of dating and relationships -- everything was fair game, and she saw no need in putting anything delicately.


A 1967 appearance on "The Ed Sullivan Show" might seem dated with its references to the single life, but Rivers' indignation at the disparity between men and women is righteously honest (and, honestly, not that out of place with today).


"The girl has to be the one that's bright, and pretty, and intelligent, a good sport -- 'Howard Johnson's again, hooray, hooray!'" Rivers sarcastically pantomimed to the audience's delight.


"It just kills me! A girl, you're 30 years old, you're not married, you're an old maid. A man, he's 90 years old, he's not married, he's a catch. It's a whole different thing, isn't that so?" she asked, as the audience applauded.


Joan Rivers: Hollywood mourns a friend


That chatty style made Rivers an obvious pick for her own talk show, and she proved it as Carson's guest host and frequent stand-in on "Tonight." It was there, as one People magazine critic proclaimed, that she could be "the bitchy queen of late night whose humorous bark left bite marks."


After shifting perceptions through Carson's show, Rivers stepped out on her own in 1986 with "The Late Show Starring Joan Rivers." The program only lasted for eight months, but it nonetheless broke the rules; Rivers was the first woman to command her own late night talk show, and is still to this day one of the few women who've broken into late night TV's notorious boys club.


"You have to be extraordinarily strong without them seeing you be that," Rivers told CNN of her experience in late night in 2013. "You're a lion tamer. You have to be in total command, but you still have to be feminine, and you still have to be funny, and you still have to be inquisitive -- it's a very tough thing, and it's tough for women because you don't expect a woman to take control. Still."


But they are. From Chelsea Handler, who's ending a top run on E! to build something new at Netflix; to Schumer, who just earned her first Emmy nod for her Comedy Central show; to media titans like Ellen DeGeneres and Whoopi Goldberg -- the women who followed Rivers haven't all been as controversial, but they have all shown traits of her dogged persistence.


Opinion: Joan Rivers gave misfit girls a permission to dream


Kathy Griffin is perhaps one of the most shining examples. Like Rivers, Griffin has a talent for nailing celebrities to the wall with a smile, while simultaneously flaying herself. Nowhere was that more evident than her Emmy-winning reality show, "Kathy Griffin: My Life on the D-List," a self-deprecating examination of how Griffin was trying and failing to climb the Hollywood ladder. It's not hard to imagine that if Rivers had been born a few decades later, she would've made a similar show. (After all, Rivers kept working hard right up until her passing, starring in reality shows with her daughter, Melissa, and gleefully torturing celebrities on E!'s "Fashion Police.")


Reflecting on Rivers in the comedian's 2010 documentary, "A Piece of Work," Griffin summed up the late legend's impact thusly: "Much in the way that Phyllis Diller paved the way for her," she said, "I wouldn't be doing this if it wasn't for Joan."



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